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    Power output specifications for the Velineon 380 motor

    the Features list here:
    http://www.traxxas.com/products/acce...elineon380.htm
    would make a wonderful playing-card for bullshtbingo but
    besides:
    8-Turn, 4000KV
    it tells nothing at all.

    if anyone has an idea of how much power (in numbers!) our beloved blue tin-can produces, please step forward and speak! ;-)
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    ^^ I too am curious.. does anyone have a comparison between the bigger vxl motor (1/10) and the 380 motor? id like to know as well... haha. you should post what it puts out with different volts, as well as series, cells, and type of battery..

    Sorry i dont have any answers for you though.. haha

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    Velineon 380
    50,000 rpm
    25a constant / 50a burst

    Velineon 3500
    50,000 rpm
    65a constant / 100a burst


    Power is just volts x amps so assuming 3s lipo (11.1v)

    380 - 550w peak
    3500 - 1110w peak

    Cheers
    Last edited by crusey_aus; 01-10-2010 at 07:32 PM.
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    interesting!
    where did you find this information?

    so, this would be 277,5W continuous power.
    not bad for a 380 system.

    I'm a little bit confused with the Velineon 3500 however.
    it has 721/1110W.
    quite in the range of the Novak HV systems.
    so, why is a single novak system enough to power an erevo, but it takes 2 Velineon systems because one is too weak?
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    Just googled Velineon Specs and found them

    Who suggested you cant use a single Velineon system in the large scale Erevo ?

    Not sure why you would want to as it's a heavy car and needs something larger

    Castle 2200kv motor is huge by comparison rated at 2500w

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by crusey_aus
    Velineon 380
    50,000 rpm
    25a constant / 50a burst

    Velineon 3500
    50,000 rpm
    65a constant / 100a burst


    Power is just volts x amps so assuming 3s lipo (11.1v)

    380 - 550w peak
    3500 - 1110w peak

    Cheers
    So assuming 380w thats about 1/2HP cool. But I always hit the rev limiter. Anyone lnow if the new castle MMM Mini systems fit in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crusey_aus
    Just googled Velineon Specs and found them

    Who suggested you cant use a single Velineon system in the large scale Erevo ?

    Not sure why you would want to as it's a heavy car and needs something larger

    Castle 2200kv motor is huge by comparison rated at 2500w

    Cheers
    The 2200KV Castle nue Draws as high as well here is the cut paste from their site
    Mamba Monster systems typically pull 4,000-5,000 watts (5 to 6 horsepower) under acceleration. The Neu-Castle motors are some of the highest efficiency motors that we have ever tested; they are up to 85%+ efficient on our test rig. The more common Asian motors tend to show in the mid to high 70’s. At those power levels, one single point equals about 50 watts of heat! You know that soldering iron on your workbench? It’s maxed out at 50 watts. That’s a lot of heat; now consider wasting several times that much heat inside your vehicle. Neu-Castle motors can therefore put out significantly more power for longer periods than less efficient motors. Go ahead, run the motor you have on the shelf, we have a feeling you will find its heat limits quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crusey_aus
    Just googled Velineon Specs and found them

    Who suggested you cant use a single Velineon system in the large scale Erevo ?

    Not sure why you would want to as it's a heavy car and needs something larger

    Castle 2200kv motor is huge by comparison rated at 2500w

    Cheers
    just skim through the e-revo forum.
    before the mmm was stable, a V-twin setup was quite common.
    they say, that a single V would overheat.

    but my novak doesn't and it has only 730/800 Watts (depending on the motor: 6.5/5.5)

    the only reason I can think of is, that the V isn't able to sustain the high currents for a longer time.
    i.e. It isn't meant to be used with 60% full throttle on low RPMs (or whatever the actual percentage is), just for 20% (again, this number is just a guess) because the lighter cars just dont spend so much time on low RPM + full throttle because they just accelerate to full speed quickly and so the currents drop again.

    back to the topic:
    I asked because I wanted to compare the V380 with standard 10th scale motors like this one:
    http://www.nosram.com/en/products/ne...-wind/details/

    just to get an idea on what the numbers are.
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    I assume you mean the Mamba Micro Pro

    They are rated at less than the stock esc

    Mamba Micro Pro - 35a continous
    Stock VXL3m - 50a continous


    Best option for power if you have some cash is a Neu 1110 sized motor (800w) for $130 or so, together with a Mamba Max / Pro ($130)

    Cheers
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    can I use the vxl 3S with the 380 motor?
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    No reason why not allthough it's too large to fit anywhere comfortably

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    Thanks for the quik answer, i just wanted to make sure it wouldnt do any harm to my motor. I just want the better runtime and heat disipation (is that how you spell it?) i als want to use the vxl fan to help cool the truck.
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    How will it give you better runtime ?

    Assuming batteries and motor are the same performance will be identical, esc may run a little cooler thats about the only benefit

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    Quote Originally Posted by qorron
    the Features list here:
    http://www.traxxas.com/products/acce...elineon380.htm
    would make a wonderful playing-card for bullshtbingo but
    besides:
    8-Turn, 4000KV
    it tells nothing at all.

    if anyone has an idea of how much power (in numbers!) our beloved blue tin-can produces, please step forward and speak! ;-)

    Been asking for a month now. And dont expect anything tangible. there is no empirical system for this yet.

    You keep asking like me though.. maybe it will happen.

    Just got an aside question, you benchmark your PC? Wondering if that is the commonality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crusey_aus
    Velineon 380
    50,000 rpm
    25a constant / 50a burst

    Velineon 3500
    50,000 rpm
    65a constant / 100a burst


    Power is just volts x amps so assuming 3s lipo (11.1v)

    380 - 550w peak
    3500 - 1110w peak

    Cheers

    Sweet OMG why buy a 3500 then if the 380 can do it

    jk

    Just a point on the information of useless statistics. No torque ratings? no dyno testing? ***?
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    It is more efficient, and with the reduced heat that will give it a little more runtime. I will be gettin the tenbol motr mount so i can put the 3500kv motor on it soon.
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    What makes you think the larger esc is more efficient ?

    More efficient would mean more power output so less runtime

    Velineon 3500 is not really suited to the mini's

    It will be slower than the stock motor unless you gear differently and will require very good batteries as they can burst to over 100 amps

    Cheers
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    the 380s are more than enough.... if they get hot, then add a heat sink, or get an arc, or a new for totally ridiculous driving

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    i also ordered a cooling fan from towerhobbies. so the 3500 wont be going in for a while, i just want to find a good combination that works with cooling and runtime. I already have both so why not.
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    so what would you recomend for a mini summit, all stock except for some aluminum suspension parts, different gearing, but i want do go to a big block, castle seems to make the best, but i'm not set on anything, just want a BB that is a little faster, can hold 3 cell lipo easily, and if possible run 2 lipos in series, weather they are 2 2 cell or 2 3's, wanna get a little more speed top end, but want to be able to program the ESC like some of castles, to mess with it, doesn't need any more off the line, but the programmable ones are sweet, wanna get into all of those options, i may just need to start with a better than stock esc? any opinions would help alot thanks josh

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    Mamba Max Pro with Castle 4 Pole 4600

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    what abt. the 4370kv brushless motor and 60amp esc ive seen listed on i#%^#!.com??? would that be better than stock? that whole system is 120 bucks???

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusey_aus View Post
    Velineon 380
    50,000 rpm
    25a constant / 50a burst

    Velineon 3500
    50,000 rpm
    65a constant / 100a burst


    Power is just volts x amps so assuming 3s lipo (11.1v)

    380 - 550w peak
    3500 - 1110w peak

    Cheers
    That will give you the maximum power your motor is "capable" of handling. You will break it if you run it at those levels guaranteed.
    Amp draw = amp hours/(run time/3600)
    (run time in seconds)

    1.6/(720/3600) = 8. (I run 1600mah batts so 1.6 amp hours)

    An average draw of 8 amps times 7.2 volts = 113 watts average power output.

    And of course that number won't tell you what your power spikes are when you accelerate hard and brake.

    Since mervs are heavier than slash's when you run the numbers for your own truck they will likely be higher.

    When I ran an emaxx it had a 4613Kv motor and drew about 22-23 amps for comparison, on 14.4 volts
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