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    New Castle Combos are coming !

    http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAETT&P=7


    Hope they have more than just this one on offer

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusey_aus
    http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAETT&P=7


    Hope they have more than just this one on offer

    Cheers

    cool stuff, but tower has some incorrect information, i think...look at the esc specs...


    Motor-
    Pole Count: 4
    Motor Winding Temp Rating: 180C
    Magnet Material Temp Rating: 180C
    Stator Lamination Thickness: 0.0078" .2mm
    Bearings: CNC rated Japanese bearings
    Dimensions: 1.4 x 2.1" (36 x 53mm)
    Shaft Diameter: 1/8"
    ESC-
    Brake: Proportional
    Reversible: Yes, with lockout
    Length: 1.8" (46mm)
    Width: 1.4" (35mm)
    Height: 0.9" (23mm)
    Weight with Wires: 2.5oz (71g) approximate
    Max Voltage: 25 (4.8V fully charged Lipos)
    that last line looks like a huge typo. i wonder if it's the same ol' sidewinder or if it's been tweaked.
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    That is a good price. It gives another option. I want to hear some reviews on it. Could be the way to go.

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    would that motor be stronger/faster/run cooler than a vxl system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCarnage
    would that motor be stronger/faster/run cooler than a vxl system?

    it's a 3600kv motor so it should be very close in speed. i think these are based on the 14XX series neus and they run cooler than velineons so they may be a good alternative.
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    should have more torque also being a 4 pole motor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vxlrocket
    cool stuff, but tower has some incorrect information, i think...look at the esc specs...


    Motor-
    Pole Count: 4
    Motor Winding Temp Rating: 180C
    Magnet Material Temp Rating: 180C
    Stator Lamination Thickness: 0.0078" .2mm
    Bearings: CNC rated Japanese bearings
    Dimensions: 1.4 x 2.1" (36 x 53mm)
    Shaft Diameter: 1/8"
    ESC-
    Brake: Proportional
    Reversible: Yes, with lockout
    Length: 1.8" (46mm)
    Width: 1.4" (35mm)
    Height: 0.9" (23mm)
    Weight with Wires: 2.5oz (71g) approximate
    Max Voltage: 25 (4.8V fully charged Lipos)
    that last line looks like a huge typo. i wonder if it's the same ol' sidewinder or if it's been tweaked.
    Yeah definately a typo, I believe it should say:

    Max Voltage: 2s (8.4V fully charged Lipos)
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    can't wait for some test run info!

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    I could be WAY out in left field on this (happens a lot to me, or so I keep hearing from the ex-wife) but isn't the sidewinder a little small to power something the size of a Slash 4X4? I know over in the MERV forum a lot of them are using this ESC to run their mini's, and a friend of mine over here has one on a 4X2 pushing a stock motor. Wouldn't a MMP be an all around better choice for powering a 4X4? I am in no way an expert but that is my thoughts on this. If it will work this is a great deal to replace the stock system that seems to be plauged with overheating issues and being cheaper than the stock system and $10 cheaper than a MMP by itself, if I didn't already have an MMM on one and a MMP on the other I would be picking this up too.
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    i have used a sidewinder in a 4x4 and it was just fine. and thats all my friend uses in his, because thats all he has.
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    I been running my watts up meter on my 4x4 all spring/summer, 300+ cycles and the norm is 70 amps or so. Once I saw 90 amps but the track was wet so traction was up. My set-up is HV 4.5 on 2s and geared for a shade under 50mph, so with this history I'd say the sidewinder would be fine however it's a different motor than the 4 pole nue clone so I guess time will tell. ............Impact
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    I'm ordering one! I love having spare motor/esc's anyways. I will definately put it to the test!
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    So the question is, is it more for 2x4?
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    since they are 3600kv, it should be just a tad faster than the stock system. However, the sidewinder can only handle 2s, so the Velineon should be faster since it can run 3s. I wouldn't be able to only do 2s. I need more power! haha.

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    im not sure why they say 2s. normal sidewinders run 3s just fine. maybe its because they are going in a heavier truck. castle must just be playing it safe.
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    Pretty sure the motor will be capable of 4s if it matches the normal Neu specs

    They will soon have a sensored and sensorless 1415/1Y coming out as well, my bet is they package these with an MMP

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    A 3600kv motor thats 4s capable would be fassssst! Ill bet its 2s max tho.
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    1410 specs arent listed on the Neu page

    http://www.neumotors.com/Site/1400_series.html

    1409/1Y (3600kv, 17 volts max, 1600 watts)
    1412/1Y (2750kv, 22 volts max, 1900 watts)

    Assuming it sits between the 1409 and 1412 specs I'm sure it will handle more than 2s

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    OK I guess I was wrong on this, I know the Sidewinder will handle a 3s and if the motor will handle the same, this would be a perfect replacement for the stock system, not only for the price but it should aliviate some of the temp problems most of us have experianced in the past. If I pick up a roller for my son for Christmas like I am planning I will use this system to run it. I could always use the castle link to tone it down until he is ready to use it at its full potential
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    Quote Originally Posted by crusey_aus
    1410 specs arent listed on the Neu page

    http://www.neumotors.com/Site/1400_series.html

    1409/1Y (3600kv, 17 volts max, 1600 watts)
    1412/1Y (2750kv, 22 volts max, 1900 watts)

    Assuming it sits between the 1409 and 1412 specs I'm sure it will handle more than 2s

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    Yeah I agree it will def. handle more than 2s. Neu, castle neu motors are quality motors. The 1410 will be great. I run a 1509 in my tc4 and its insane. crazy tourque and never breaks a sweat.( geared for speed runs)..
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    So would something like this run cooler in the 4x4 on 2s? More power on 2s?
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    Has castle released any information on this yet? This may be my new setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by microimage
    So would something like this run cooler in the 4x4 on 2s? More power on 2s?
    Would need to wait and see.

    Given the kV ratings of 1409 and 1412 and assuming this will be something similar I suspect performance differences will be minimal. If that is so then there is little to make we want to upgrade - just a heatsink and fan are pretty cheap.

    Will have to wait until some have got them and find out what the real world performance comparison is.

    I think if you want blazing performance on 2s then you need a castle 6900kV motor and a very good 2s battery (5000 30C or better)
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    Castle 6900kv motor (I assume you are referring to a CMS36 can) would not push these heavy cars well at all, not sure why you would suggest that

    Many have tried the 4600 / 5700's with bad results

    Plenty of folks running the MMM/2650 combos, geared 21/50 on 2s, good for 37 mph or so

    Design of the 1410 Neu motor will give much more torque and power than the stock motor

    Stock motor, 660 watts cont / 1100 watts burst

    Neu 1410 (guess based on 1409 specs), 850 watts cont / 1700 watts burst

    Will enable you to gear for more speed with less heat

    Castle are suggesting the SCT specific esc is a new design that just happens to fit into a sidewinder sized case, apparently handles 50% more power than the current sidewinders (I read this as meaning it will handle 3s without drama)


    Think I will hold out for the longer can 1415 version, shouldnt be too far away

    Current 1415/1Y (2200kv, 6s, 2200 watts burst) would be great on 3 / 4s for bashing whereas the 1410 would be suited to racers

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    SDW is undersized for a Slash 4x4. This new SDW SC seems different though. Only handle 2s though so I pass.
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    I would like to stick with the 2s, but have something within the same weight, that runs cooler and a bit faster. That and all the Castle setting options are another plus. I think I will have to wait to see how this pans out, a 550 motor or this?
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    I dont think it can handle 50% more power than a current sidewinder. the current ones are good for 80 amps. so 50% more would be 120 amps. And the MMP is only like 100 or 120. so i dont think thats true.

    And Bmr4life do you have experience with a sidewinder in a 4x4? because i know it handles it just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSTR4X4
    I dont think it can handle 50% more power than a current sidewinder. the current ones are good for 80 amps. so 50% more would be 120 amps. And the MMP is only like 100 or 120. so i dont think thats true.

    And Bmr4life do you have experience with a sidewinder in a 4x4? because i know it handles it just fine.
    Stolen from elsewhere:
    This is a completely new ESC that happens to fit in the Sidewinder case.

    It handles about 50% more power than the original Sidewinder -- but still has a standard linear BEC -- so limited to about 3S on the ESC.

    The combo (with 1410 motor) is designed to be ROAR legal for racing on 2S systems. -- We designed the motor specifically to cram as much stator/rotor as possible into the ROAR legal case size.

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    That clear up anything?

    Pair it with a CC-BEC and this could get interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksb51rl
    Stolen from elsewhere:
    That clear up anything?

    Pair it with a CC-BEC and this could get interesting.
    Sounds good... The set-up should be great. I expect .
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    if its got 50% more power than a sidewinder than it should be more powerful than a MMP. so i guess it doesnt make sense to me.
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    Its a new esc that happens to fit into a sidewinder case

    As mentioned above, will have a 3s limit so wont compete with the MMP

    Most of the Castle ESC's are due for makeovers soon anyway, HV versions of the MMP / MMM are in development

    Gotta be happy with more esc / motor options

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    Its neat because that little motor will be just as powerful if not more then the Novak HV 550 motors (Ballistic). I cant wait to try one .
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSTR4X4
    if its got 50% more power than a sidewinder than it should be more powerful than a MMP. so i guess it doesnt make sense to me.
    No, that's incorrect.
    The math goes like this:
    SW = 2/3 power of the Mamba Max = 2/3 MM
    SW SCT = 150% of SW = 15/10 SW = 3/2 SW
    therefore, SW SCT = (2/3 x 3/2) power of MM = 1x power of MM.
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    ^^ wow I didn't understand anything you just said lol but I was and still am crappy at math
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksb51rl
    No, that's incorrect.
    The math goes like this:
    SW = 2/3 power of the Mamba Max = 2/3 MM
    SW SCT = 150% of SW = 15/10 SW = 3/2 SW
    therefore, SW SCT = (2/3 x 3/2) power of MM = 1x power of MM.
    haha, thats true.

    but still, then why would you buy a mamba max for $120 when you could buy a combo thats just as powerful for the same price?

    oh, and i was going off that the sidewinder is 80 amps and the Mamba Max is 100 amps. I have heard those numbers on enough occasions to believe that they're true.
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    My figures are according to the Castle Creations website text:
    Sidewinder is an exciting entry point for high performance brushless offering approximately 2/3rds of the extreme power available with Castle’s Mamba systems
    and the quote I posted above.
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    why not just sticking to the Novak SC 4.5?

    the 4.5T is a 5,000Kv, it is a 2s only, but man it is fast, that's why people at the track run in the SC 4x4 pro
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    Novak motors are not even close to delivering the sort of power these Neu motors will provide

    Plenty of motor failures and bec related issues mean they are far from the best choice

    Most of us want a motor that will handle a combination of 2s / 3s for racing and bashing

    These Castle combos, especially the upcoming 1415/1Y will be ideal

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    Quote Originally Posted by vxlrocket
    cool stuff, but tower has some incorrect information, i think...look at the esc specs...

    That doesn't surprise me at all in regards to Tower Hobby's website. In the past I always used their site as my source to find specifications of various RC items that I needed info on. Eventually I discovered that most of the specs that I gathered from their site was incorrect. Its best to just consult the specific manufacturers website for specs on any items. Dont trust Towers listed specs. I have no idea where the heck they pull their info from, but it doesn't match the manufacturers specs at all on MANY of the items they list.
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    According to RCCA It is only 2S capable. http://radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=260781

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