New Revo Owner ask for Help! Black Powder/Flour around spur gear after break-in

[hfofhf]

After the 5th tank, I noticed there are a lot of black powder/flour on the chassis around spur gear/slipper clutch. there are also some on the air filter.
I don't know whether it's normal. Is it from the slipper clutch or does it mean I had a wrong gear mesh.
Thanks

[Double G]

Two things: the clutch is slipping a bit and/or the slipper is slipping. Clean the chassis and tighten the slipper. Also, you may want to check the clutch as break-in is hard on them.

[hfofhf]

Thanks for your suggestions, Double G.
I'll check both of them. Do I need to do the gear mesh?

[JP3.3]

take a look at the gear if you see some missing material. try adjusting the engine mount to bring the two gears together properly. chances are it rolled over and moved the engine causing the gears to be seperated just a bit.

also, when every thing is shut down and in gear. roll ur revo back and forth about a inch. checking for slosh in the gears. that could tell you how bad ur adjustment/damage is.

[hfofhf]

Thank JP3.3.
I followed trx A4 paper method to mesh the gears. However it's hard to judge whether I have done it properly. Because I saw a video on youtube in which a guy uses the sound of rotating gears to mesh gears. Mine sounds different from his.

[upbasher]

Yes do the sound test to mesh. It works WAY better than the stupid paper method. Set it so it binds just the SLIGHTEST little bit but still rolls freely when you move the truck.

[C6 Doberman]

I agree with upbasher. You can tell when you have it correct.

[JP3.3]

no prob. let me know how you make out.

[hfofhf]

I checked my spur gear. No significant sign of worn. My problem of doing a sound test is when my gears rotate, they sound completely different to those in nitromad48's video no matter they are tight or loose.

[Nitronaught]

I checked my spur gear. No significant sign of worn. My problem of doing a sound test is when my gears rotate, they sound completely different to those in nitromad48's video no matter they are tight or loose.

After a few times of tearing down and modding, experience with resetting gear mesh... I can tell you the paper method works. But you still can mesh the gears too hard with it... Once youhave meshed your gears with the paper, use one hand to prevent the spur gear from moving, then use your other hand/fingers to rock the Clutch Bell back and forth. You should feel a tiny tiny bit of movement in between. If it is too tight you will not feel this tiny bit of movement...

Usually if your mesh it too tight you WILL hear a whirring sound.. Also your CB bearings won't hold up very well and possibly the bearing supporting the nitro input shaft (hold's the spur gear)....

After a while you develope how the CB and spur should feel when meshed properly to the point you don't need the paper trick...

[JP3.3]

how much "whirring" do you hear after your method?

[hfofhf]

how much "whirring" do you hear after your method?

it's hard to tell, maybe a little bit. In nitromad48's video there is almost no sound after correct mesh. But I always got some.

[Double G]

Once youhave meshed your gears with the paper, use one hand to prevent the spur gear from moving, then use your other hand/fingers to rock the Clutch Bell back and forth. You should feel a tiny tiny bit of movement in between. If it is too tight you will not feel this tiny bit of movement...

Such wise words straight from the master (well, one of them ).
Since I like to see pictures:
Here's what the paper should look like with good mesh:



It may be a little hard to see, but there is a little gap between the spur and clutch bell. Holding the clutch bell and rocking the spur will get a little bit of movement as mentioned above.

[JP3.3]

yea same here... no matter what ive tried in the past id always get some

it's hard to tell, maybe a little bit. In nitromad48's video there is almost no sound after correct mesh. But I always got some.

[goodie1977]

I visually align the gears, check for a slight amount of backlash just as described above, and then confirm I got it right by the way it sounds. I like to set my gears as tight as I can without producing significant gear noise. Wish I could explain it with a hard and fast rule or description of the noise, unfortunately it is something you just learn with a little experience.

I personally to not like the paper method. It has too many variables that can impact the result. Age and wear of gears, pitch of gears, diameter of gears, width of gear face, paper weight. I trust my eyes and ears more...

[hfofhf]

I visually align the gears, check for a slight amount of backlash just as described above, and then confirm I got it right by the way it sounds. I like to set my gears as tight as I can without producing significant gear noise. Wish I could explain it with a hard and fast rule or description of the noise, unfortunately it is something you just learn with a little experience.

I personally to not like the paper method. It has too many variables that can impact the result. Age and wear of gears, pitch of gears, diameter of gears, width of gear face, paper weight. I trust my eyes and ears more...

Yes. I tried to mesh several times by the paper method. It sounds different each time. I guess I'll go with the sound method and just choose the set up that makes the quietest noise.

[Nitronaught]

how much "whirring" do you hear after your method?

None.... No whirring... If you do something's not right...

[hfofhf]

I disassembled my revo, and it turned out that the black powder/flour were from the clutch shoes. Wondering what materiel the stock shoes are. Seems it got a really hard worn here. I guess I had improper break-in.

[Skholar]

No.....I believe this is normal. Both my revo and slayer had the same black residue initially....

[hfofhf]

No.....I believe this is normal. Both my revo and slayer had the same black residue initially....

Glad to know it's normal. thanks.
but the black residue really bothers me. it went everywhere, air filter, throttle arm and cover, ez-start, fuel tank and center drive shaft...

[hfofhf]

how much "whirring" do you hear after your method?

for now, it's like the spur gear can move 0.5~0.8 mm when the clutch bell gear is stopped by my figure. Sounds less noise. I hope it is not too loose.