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    Replacement motor

    I have been teasing everyone for a few days now. Well I am going to post some pictures. I am still dialing the motor in so I can get the best possible performance out of it.





    Of course I did the foam mod to protect the bearings





    I also like the large size of the set screw. I have a 14 tooth pinion for now. I also have a 17 to try.



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    and you're still teasing everyone... what is it? lol
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    To me, it looks very much like the Axial Vanguard 3150kV.

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    That baby is going to fly. Can't wait to see end results.

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    I was thinking that as well, but the end caps are black and unfinished on the opposite sides...

    Edit: Nevermind... saw some with the caps as ElSob's are!
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    El Sob. I had some time to kill. So check this out. 15/52 should put you right back to where you were with 20/54 on the 2400Kv.





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    I like how in every pic the wires are opposite direction to hide vanguard 3150. Lol

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    Ha! I called it! See post #64 in the "my center bearing mod" thread. Can't wait to hear how it does. I have been strongly considering this motor but only have 2s batts so still considering the newer 4-pole 3500
    Matts175... That calculator has been a big help... Thanks for the link a while back.

    Did you paint the 2400 (with broken shaft) black in the first pick? Confused me cause the rest of the pics it's still blue.
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    Did you paint the 2400 (with broken shaft) black in the first pick? Confused me cause the rest of the pics it's still blue.
    I think that's just the lighting in the picture, rather lack of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matts175 View Post
    El Sob. I had some time to kill. So check this out. 15/52 should put you right back to where you were with 20/54 on the 2400Kv.




    I have that motor and it will over heat with that gearing for sure. I have it in my 2wd running 14 54 and it still gets hot I'm not very impressed with it at all. Good luck.

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    I have been running that exact gearing 14/54 but on 3s. It has actually been ice cold for me. I ran it hard today and it was barely warmer than my hand.
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    El Sob. Did it seem pretty fast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matts175 View Post
    El Sob. Did it seem pretty fast?
    It wasn't bad. I could tell it was slower but I am going to put the 50 tooth spur on it and see what difference it makes in speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Sob View Post
    I have been running that exact gearing 14/54 but on 3s. It has actually been ice cold for me. I ran it hard today and it was barely warmer than my hand.
    I do run my cars hard in the dirt and sand I have a track in my yard as well as a sandy beach. The 2wd only has paddles and only goes on the beach to do wheelies so that might be my problem LOL.

    I just wanna make it clear I'm not trying to rain on your parade and I hope the motor works out for you it just didnt for me LOL.
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    So do we call this new motor the Reno or the Viking? I'm not sure who found it first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silly Old Boy View Post
    So do we call this new motor the Reno or the Viking? I'm not sure who found it first.
    Is it based on who tried it first, or who gives it the best pitch?

    Oldest Slash 4x4 reference I found:
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    How about the "grate system for cheep" LOL.

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    Sounds grate to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeegie View Post
    Is it based on who tried it first, or who gives it the best pitch?

    Oldest Slash 4x4 reference I found:
    https://traxxas.com/forums/showthrea...stem-for-cheep
    That's not the same motor. The Axial Exo Terra Buggy has the 2900kV Vanguard motor. The 3150kV was released in August 2014, and it's a totally different beast.

    http://www.amain.com/images/large/axi/axi31047.jpg
    http://www.axialracing.com/assets/pr...jpg?1339530202

    First or not - doesn't matter to me, but I really like the 3150kV running 2S with 14/54T gearing (GPS 30mph). It's very smooth paired with the HW WP SC-8, and the highest temp readings I have are 49C (120F) on the motor (no cooling fan) and 40C (104F) on the ESC (ambient temp 15C (59F)). I'm running 2.8" Trencher's.

    As you may know, I only run 2S so I can't say anything about temps on 3S.
    Also, I have a home made shroud which doesn't allow as much venting as a Dusty Motors shroud (which I also have but don't like - it's too short and more open at the front and back).

    Btw. El Sob, congrats on the new motor. You won't break that 5mm shaft...

    Just for the record - the first time I became aware of the Vanguard 3150kV was in post #28 in this thread:
    https://traxxas.com/forums/showthrea...OLEST-4x4-PEDE

    I bought mine in January 2015.
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    For all of our purposes we could call it the Viking motor. I understand what you mean by who takes ownership and does the most advertising on it. I guess ever time I spoke of a motor system it was the El Sob special lol I am going to find a way to repair the El Sob special motor, just might take me a little more trial and error
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Just for the record - the first time I became aware of the Vanguard 3150kV was in post #28 in this thread:
    https://traxxas.com/forums/showthrea...OLEST-4x4-PEDE

    I bought mine in January 2015.
    I bought mine in march you win
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoC6z06 View Post
    I bought mine in march you win
    I sincerely apologize!

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    I am very close to where I was with the El Sob special motor! I need to give it a proper test run. I gave her a five minute beating and it did well
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    I started a thread recently(kv, amps, volts, and all that jazz) or something like that, that describes this very scenario/experiment... same truck, batts, but two different size motors geared to achieve the same speed. I see the 3150 turned almost 10k more rpm's than the 2400. Gotta be pulling more amps right? Soooo, how is your run time effected? Look forward to updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash dad View Post
    I started a thread recently(kv, amps, volts, and all that jazz) or something like that, that describes this very scenario/experiment... same truck, batts, but two different size motors geared to achieve the same speed. I see the 3150 turned almost 10k more rpm's than the 2400. Gotta be pulling more amps right? Soooo, how is your run time effected? Look forward to updates.
    That sounds like a great idea! We can find out the difference in runtime between the two motors. Everything is the same but the motors.
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    What's with the 763 amps in the calculator? LOL... Did you install a Tesla S motor?

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    Just playing around with the calculator to see what kind of horsepower I can get. 11.1v 6500mah 60c makes some decent amps
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    El sob I just pulled my 3150kv out and it had lost 2 of the countersunk screws holding the end bell on so put some loctite on them.

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    Driving and driving conditions make a huge difference in temps.
    I'm pretty sure El Sob has stated he runs primarily on pavement, to a motor this imo is the most forgiving surface.
    Once we get into dirt and sand the temps will sore.
    @RenoC6z06, I'm looking to build a sand rig from my old pro line lcg with pro track kit, thing is I dont want to do wheelies.
    If I hit a bump or something like that it understandable, I just want to be able to kick it in the pants and have it dig and climb hills.
    Any tips or things to beware of in the sand would be appreciated.
    I already know the sand gets everywhere but other then that it will be a new experience for me.
    Sand hill climbing, has a nice rig to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoC6z06 View Post
    El sob I just pulled my 3150kv out and it had lost 2 of the countersunk screws holding the end bell on so put some loctite on them.
    Thank you for the advice! I gave her a really good run today! I ran all three of the lipos through it and it did well. I do however need to invest in a temperature gun. There were times it seemed warm but never to the point where I couldn't touch it. It never took more than three minutes to return to the temperature of my hand. The speed feels exactly the same as the El Sob 2400 special. So far I am quite pleased with this new motor
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    Looks like the viking is in then, how ever you still run some El Sob special on some rigs?

    Another motor I would try are the 4pole onyx ones. I loved my 3174 onyx 4550 combo but gave it away. May by another combo but in their 1/8 system one day.
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    Glad you are happy with it. So how were those run times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy-bones View Post
    Driving and driving conditions make a huge difference in temps.
    I'm pretty sure El Sob has stated he runs primarily on pavement, to a motor this imo is the most forgiving surface.
    Once we get into dirt and sand the temps will sore.
    @RenoC6z06, I'm looking to build a sand rig from my old pro line lcg with pro track kit, thing is I dont want to do wheelies.
    If I hit a bump or something like that it understandable, I just want to be able to kick it in the pants and have it dig and climb hills.
    Any tips or things to beware of in the sand would be appreciated.
    I already know the sand gets everywhere but other then that it will be a new experience for me.
    Sand hill climbing, has a nice rig to it.
    Well I blew up my diff within 5 min of installing the 2400kv. I would say get some paddles mip x duties a flm diff and a lot of bearings and have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoC6z06 View Post
    Well I blew up my diff within 5 min of installing the 2400kv. I would say get some paddles mip x duties a flm diff and a lot of bearings and have fun.
    By the way did you upgrade your diffs to the XO1 or erevo diffs, flm is just the diff cup, hopefully you can use the side bars from the diff cup 3978 and the I bar from the 5382X for the erevo and I think it is 6382X for the XO1 with the flm diff cup.

    I will stick to the stock diff cups as eventually the aluminum ones will sufer from wear and tear, cheaper to get the 6$ diff cup, my 2c.

    With those diffs it should not blow out that easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash dad View Post
    Glad you are happy with it. So how were those run times?
    I had my daughter with me so I didn't get to time things. I will hopefully be able to time my runs today. To me it seemed like the runtime was increased but I had all kinds of people asking questions about my truck
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    but I had all kinds of people asking questions about my truck
    I've gotten "Is that gas or electric?"....Twice.

    I was nice with my answers, but in my mind I was like "DUH".

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    Quote Originally Posted by matts175 View Post
    I've gotten "Is that gas or electric?"....Twice.

    I was nice with my answers, but in my mind I was like "DUH".
    There is a slight difference in sound This one lady saw me changing the battery. She said ," I have one of those!" When I ran it, "she said, no I don't!" Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezza View Post
    By the way did you upgrade your diffs to the XO1 or erevo diffs, flm is just the diff cup, hopefully you can use the side bars from the diff cup 3978 and the I bar from the 5382X for the erevo and I think it is 6382X for the XO1 with the flm diff cup.

    I will stick to the stock diff cups as eventually the aluminum ones will sufer from wear and tear, cheaper to get the 6$ diff cup, my 2c.

    With those diffs it should not blow out that easy
    I should have specified my sand car is 2wd both of my 4wd's now have xo1 diffs. I do run the flm center diff and it is awesome.

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    I have had the is it gas question a few times, one guy tried telling me it was gas, I pulled the lid off and said, then show me where to put the nitro fuel, I was not nice because he argued with me for 10 minutes about it. Most people that ask I'm nice to
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    So is there a final verdict ElSob? I'm assuming you've been driving it. Which do you like better n why?

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