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    Mamba monster 2200 vs 2650.

    I have seen many stampede 4x4s with both the mamba monster 2200 and 2650 combo.
    From what I have heard, the 2650 is more for buggys, and the 2200 for trucks.
    Also all the chasis modify videos i found are for the 2650, I can modify it myself but just an observation.

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    The 2200Kv has a bit more power but needs a taller gearing and more voltage to get to the same speeds as the 2650Kv.
    The 2650Kv is pretty wild on 3S and a beast on 4S. You get 20% more speed out of the 2650Kv with the same gearing and voltage.

    If I had to make a choice between the two, I would pick the 2650Kv.
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    The 2400 is also a popular choice. I'm working on a upgrade myself and chose to go 2650kv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallj2000 View Post
    The 2400 is also a popular choice. I'm working on a upgrade myself and chose to go 2650kv.
    The 2400 is, depending on what you are looking for, probably the best choice. Less abuse to the driveline and still a big pile of power.
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    so, will either motor overheat on a 4s 35c 5000 mah battery?
    Isn't the 2400 a 1/10th scale motor?
    Would an 1/8th scale motor work better for a 4s?
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    With any motor the chance of over heating depends on set up and driving style. The 2400 is a 1/10th scale motor. It's a great 3s motor. Not real sure how it is on 4s. The 2650kv does well with both. I have no experience with the 2200kv so I can't speak about it. I personally feel the 1/8 motor is better for more constant 4s.
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    I have both and both are fun on 3s. The 2650 is a bit more peppy though. Haven't tried 4s yet. I have the 2650 geared at 18/54 and the 2200 at 20/54. Could likely go higher with both based on temps but I honestly don't need them to have a higher top speed at this point.

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    I have a 2700 1/8 scale on 4s and 2200 on 4s - 6s and neither have heat issues. Generally geared 15/50 to 21/50. Although the 2200 has been geared 25/31 for speed runs and had no issues with heat.
    https://traxxas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6163113 Post # 177 compares performance of 2200 and 2650.
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    Talking about scale is a bit tricky these days when it comes to motors. Castle puts the 2400 in 1/10th scale, but I bet there are stock 1/8 scale cars on the market that have a less powerful motor.

    In my experience upgrading from the 2400 to the 2650 was just that step where you start to put too much load on the driveline.
    I can poke the 2650 hot in my Pede, but never had it beyond the safe limit. Not saying that it is impossible, but you have to drive like a madman to make it sweat.

    For the record: 2400 is rated 5S max, 2650 4S max and the 2200 6S.
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    Lol, I've seen 2650 with 6s, just i heard you shouldn't have that in too long.

    I'm not planning to ever go to 6s, I probably will end up trying it one day though lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petertje60 View Post
    Talking about scale is a bit tricky these days when it comes to motors. Castle puts the 2400 in 1/10th scale, but I bet there are stock 1/8 scale cars on the market that have a less powerful motor.

    In my experience upgrading from the 2400 to the 2650 was just that step where you start to put too much load on the driveline.
    I can poke the 2650 hot in my Pede, but never had it beyond the safe limit. Not saying that it is impossible, but you have to drive like a madman to make it sweat.

    For the record: 2400 is rated 5S max, 2650 4S max and the 2200 6S.
    Upgrading? So going down in power is upgrading? Lol. Imo going to a motor that can handle more power is upgrading...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Briber View Post
    Upgrading? So going down in power is upgrading? Lol.

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    From the 2400 to the 2650 is an upgrade in my opinion. Or did I miss something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petertje60 View Post
    From the 2400 to the 2650 is an upgrade in my opinion. Or did I miss something?
    2650 4s max. Upgrade to...
    2400 5s max. Upgrade to...
    2200 6s max.

    Am I missing something lmbo.... are we both scratching our heads right now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Briber View Post
    2650 4s max. Upgrade to...
    2400 5s max. Upgrade to...
    2200 6s max.

    Am I missing something lmbo.... are we both scratching our heads right now...

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    When looking at voltage, you go up, but powerwise (which seems more logical to me when you talk about upgrading) the order is: 2400, 2650, 2200 (from low to high)
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    Ya I have been leaning towards 2200 for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Briber View Post
    2650 4s max. Upgrade to...
    2400 5s max. Upgrade to...
    2200 6s max.

    Am I missing something lmbo.... are we both scratching our heads right now...

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    2650 smaller
    2200 bigger

    bigger is better.
    Lol, imo u can't compare these 2 that simply. goes beyond kv and size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svillax View Post
    2650 smaller
    2200 bigger

    bigger is better.
    Lol, imo u can't compare these 2 that simply. goes beyond kv and size.
    Agreed on that so is that what petertje60 is saying about 2400 to 2650? I have no experience with 2400 motor so is there a performance edge of some sort with 2400 over the 2650 even though it's bigger / can handle more power?

    Love my 2200! No matter what I threw at it, it is just a beast! I can't wait to get the p4de/speed runner back up and running!



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    The 2400 is a bit longer than the 2650, but the 2650 is wider (40mm against 36mm) and more powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petertje60 View Post
    The 2400 is a bit longer than the 2650, but the 2650 is wider (40mm against 36mm) and more powerful.
    On same voltage but the 2400 allows you to put more voltage to it making it at least the same if not faster/stronger to turn gearing the 2650 couldnt, right??? This is my understanding of motor kv or am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Briber View Post
    On same voltage but the 2400 allows you to put more voltage to it making it at least the same if not faster/stronger to turn gearing the 2650 couldnt, right???

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    Castle doesn't give power ratings on most motors, but my data logs tell me that the 2650 is more powerful than the 2400. The 2650 on 3S beats the 2400 on 4S power wise.
    The 2400 will make more rpm on 5S than the 2650 on 4S, but those are figures with no load and tell you zero about the available power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petertje60 View Post
    Castle doesn't give power ratings on most motors, but my data logs tell me that the 2650 is more powerful than the 2400. The 2650 on 3S beats the 2400 on 4S power wise.
    The 2400 will make more rpm on 5S than the 2650 on 4S, but those are figures with no load and tell you zero about the available power.
    Got ya! I totally appreciate the info!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Briber View Post
    Got ya! I totally appreciate the info!!

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    No problem at all.
    Your thinking was nothing but logical and I have seen so many in doubt about how the figures relate to practice, including myself. A data logger is an awesome tool to figure things out.
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    hmmm, won't the 2650 turn more rpm per volt, but the 2200 is larger so it can handle more power, and has more torque. I've heard on high voltage the 2200 runs cooler

    thats how i understand it.

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    i have both the 2400 and 2200 and when fed the same voltage there is no comparison whatsoever.
    personally, i prefer the 1/8 scale (2200 or 2650) motors for the sl4sh and the 2400 for the p4de. the extra chassis length on the sl4sh just suits the motor better i find and the 2400 is what traxxas should be selling the p4de with.
    sl4sh 2200 / p4de 2400

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    If its all out speed simple logic would say the 2650kv motor would be better. The 2200kv and 2650kv both were used for 1/8 sized trucks (12lbs). The extra torque provided by the 2200kv motor would probably be uneeded in the 1/10 scale lighter weight stampede. So unless your providing it with STUPID gearing (or your stampede weights near 10 lbs) I would say a 2650kv motor would be a better choice for speed.

    Remeber that older version Hpi Savage flux Tork (1/8 scale 10+ lbs) successfully ran the same castle 2650kv motor on 4s.
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    Based upon logged data I can tell that the 2650 and 2200 are more powerful than the 2400 where the difference between the 2650 and 2200 is not that huge.
    Finding the most powerful motor is easy. Getting the power from the motor to the road without killing drivelines, keep temperatures within safe borders and find an easy solution for the right gearing is a completely different story.
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    I'm assuming you have the mamba monster x?
    The box says waterproof, but would it work submerged in water? Or do I need to do the liquid tape thing.
    I want it to be half car half boat. I can waterproof everything else, I've done it before. Just wondering bout the mamba x

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