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    Castle 2400 or 2650 or other???

    First off, I have been reading a ton of threads on motor/esc combos prior to posting here. With that being said, I have a 4x4 stampede with a hobbywing WP-SC8 esc in it and need a new motor. I found a new castle creations 1415-2400kv for $65 shipped and the 1512-2650kv is $99. I have been reading a lot and sounds like a lot of people prefer the 2650, but is it worth $35 more? Are there other budget minded options that you would suggest? I am open to any suggestions!
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    What motor did you have? I just put in a GoolRC 2600kv for 26 dollars shipped

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    Leave the CC 2400kv for 1/8th scale vehicles... your best bet would be the CC 2650kv motor, just make sure its legit, too many clones being sold that look like the real thing, a great alternative is the GoolRC 2600kv motor shown by Gripdog7205, i run the same exact ESC/MOTOR combo in my p4de and its a complete monster with a 4s lipo.
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    Thanks you guys are awesome! I saw that Goolrc motor in another thread. How's the reliability on those? Thanks for the heads up on the fake Castle Motors. This one is legit from a reputable store. Just curious why do you say leave the 2400 for 1/8 scale trucks? From my understanding the size of the can on the 2400 is actually smaller than the 2650. Is it because of the lower KV rating? I was originally running the stock the Vxl full system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yfzdr View Post
    Thanks you guys are awesome! I saw that Goolrc motor in another thread. How's the reliability on those? Thanks for the heads up on the fake Castle Motors. This one is legit from a reputable store. Just curious why do you say leave the 2400 for 1/8 scale trucks? From my understanding the size of the can on the 2400 is actually smaller than the 2650. Is it because of the lower KV rating? I was originally running the stock the Vxl full system.
    The 2650 is larger. It's also faster. I will update my thread to speak to the reliability of the GoolRC motors. So far it puts up with 3S and 4S well. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bige4u View Post
    Leave the CC 2400kv for 1/8th scale vehicles...
    Are you thinking about the 2200kv 1515? The 2400kv 1415 was practically made for 1/10th scale vehicles. It has a smaller can than the 1515 or 1512 motors, which can make it more compatible with 1/10th scale vehicles, yet it has more in common with the 1515 motors (2200kv) than it does with the 1512 motors (2650kv).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotNoRice View Post
    Are you thinking about the 2200kv 1515? The 2400kv 1415 was practically made for 1/10th scale vehicles. It has a smaller can than the 1515 or 1512 motors, which can make it more compatible with 1/10th scale vehicles, yet it has more in common with the 1515 motors (2200kv) than it does with the 1512 motors (2650kv).
    You can get the 2400 in a 3 mm shaft which lends itself to 1/10 as well

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    Man, I just can't decide. I think I may pull the trigger on the Goolrc 2600 because it is only $23 shipped, but $65 for that castle 2400 sounds good too. Any other thoughts or recommendations would be appreciated! Thanks again!

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    Well the 2600 drops right in, and has plenty of power. That doesn't mean I won't go for the 1512 can eventually, right now I'm happy.

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    The 2400 Castle motor is a great motor. I often doubt about putting that back in to my Pede as replacement of the 2650 Castle motor which just is a little too much overkill to my taste. Both awesome motors, but to my taste the Pede with the 2400 is just a little more in balance.
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    Thanks for the feedback Petertje60!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bige4u View Post
    Leave the CC 2400kv for 1/8th scale vehicles... your best bet would be the CC 2650kv motor, just make sure its legit, too many clones being sold that look like the real thing, a great alternative is the GoolRC 2600kv motor shown by Gripdog7205, i run the same exact ESC/MOTOR combo in my p4de and its a complete monster with a 4s lipo.
    I think you need to listen to Bige4u... That sounds awful cheap for a new castle motor! There is a guy on you tube that tells you what to look out for on fakes.
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    Imo put the lowest kv motor in you can. The lower the kv the less heat itll produce on lower voltage batts. Plus youll have the capability or option to run higher voltage batts should you decide to in the future.
    I have a Kershaw 2700kv p4de and a Castle 2200kv p4de and both run 4s or higher and are a blast. With both motors I had to modify things to make them work because of can size.
    2700kv install:
    2200kv install(swapped esc and rx locations):

    So if your not in to modifying things Id get motor with smaller can size. If you like customizing then go big!
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    Thanks to both of you! I will look into the counterfeits more prior to purchasing. That looks good Briber and I have no problems with modifying the chassis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petertje60 View Post
    The 2400 Castle motor is a great motor. I often doubt about putting that back in to my Pede as replacement of the 2650 Castle motor which just is a little too much overkill to my taste. Both awesome motors, but to my taste the Pede with the 2400 is just a little more in balance.
    I am also looking at the Castle 2400. Seems like the motor for a 4x4 Pede.
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    I agree with Briber. For years now my P4de has had the Castle Creations Mamba Monster v2 ESC and Castle Creations 2650kv motor on 3s. It has too much power and stays uber cool. I really love this combo.
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    I run on mostly 2s, would the 2400 or 2650 run decent with that? I mostly do bashing with my P4de.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenixis View Post
    I run on mostly 2s, would the 2400 or 2650 run decent with that? I mostly do bashing with my P4de.
    +1 vote 2650.........................aw heck, I will cheat and vote 2 more times 2650
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenixis View Post
    I run on mostly 2s, would the 2400 or 2650 run decent with that? I mostly do bashing with my P4de.
    I'd get a higher kv rating if you only run 2S. Those will both be pretty slow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripdog7205 View Post
    I'd get a higher kv rating if you only run 2S. Those will both be pretty slow
    Grip You know as well as I do! Nobody sticks with just a 2S. Especially when you run you first 3S. You taught me that!
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    Sticking with 2s is great for children.... but for more experienced adults, 3s to 4s will be a must.
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    I’m thinking of going with the 2400kv. What kind of gear ratio do we need for 2400kv. Lower LC means lower rpm? So need bigger pinion /smaller spur?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bif24701 View Post
    Iím thinking of going with the 2400kv. What kind of gear ratio do we need for 2400kv. Lower LC means lower rpm? So need bigger pinion /smaller spur?
    You got it. I'm running 17/50 at the moment. But have a 14 if I need it for 4S

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    Is the stock spur gear a 50t? Who makes good quality pinion gears? Did you also have to upgrade the drive line? I don’t have the VXL model and thinking I’ll need a metal driveshaft, and want the platinum Slash center/Front/Rear Dif gears.
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    Stock spur tooth count is 54 and as for pinion gears, i've had the best of luck with HR(hot racing), its all im using along with the traxxas brand as well and since you appear to have the XL-5 truck, upgrading to the aluminum center drive shaft is a must if you plan on going with a brushless setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bige4u View Post
    Stock spur tooth count is 54 and as for pinion gears, i've had the best of luck with HR(hot racing), its all im using along with the traxxas brand as well and since you appear to have the XL-5 truck, upgrading to the aluminum center drive shaft is a must if you plan on going with a brushless setup.

    Driveshaft - TRA6755 / Drive Hub - TRA6888X
    I never had an issue with mine on 3S with the velineon system. That being said I upgraded to the Tekno big bone for safe measures.
    The drive line minus diffs need to be beefed up for power.

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    I started out with the XL-5 and imediately upgraded to the aluminum center driveshaft and XO-1 diffs after installing my brushless setup with a HW SC-8(esc) and GoolRC 2600kv 3660-550(motor)... it was pretty tame out the box, now its more than worthy on 3s and completely stupified on 4s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bige4u View Post
    I started out with the XL-5 and imediately upgraded to the aluminum center driveshaft and XO-1 diffs after installing my brushless setup with a HW SC-8(esc) and GoolRC 2600kv 3660-550(motor)... it was pretty tame out the box, now its more than worthy on 3s and completely stupified on 4s.
    What type of center drive come's with the XL-5 If it is not already aluminun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lektro View Post
    What type of center drive come's with the XL-5 If it is not already aluminun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bige4u View Post
    Stock spur tooth count is 54 and as for pinion gears, i've had the best of luck with HR(hot racing), its all im using along with the traxxas brand as well and since you appear to have the XL-5 truck, upgrading to the aluminum center drive shaft is a must if you plan on going with a brushless setup.

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    The aluminum drive shaft, center Dif, and motor mount are certainly in play. Also looking at axles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bif24701 View Post
    The aluminum drive shaft, center Dif, and motor mount are certainly in play. Also looking at axles.
    I had no idea it was plastic. If you go with the aluminum. If after installing it, you have some back and forth play on the hubs, get some rubber o rings and fill in the gaps to take up the slack. This keeps the shaft in place. With all the the back and forth movement I am almost positive this causes some damage to the ends of the shaft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bif24701 View Post
    Is the stock spur gear a 50t? Who makes good quality pinion gears? Did you also have to upgrade the drive line? I don’t have the VXL model and thinking I’ll need a metal driveshaft, and want the platinum Slash center/Front/Rear Dif gears.
    In my opinion, Robinson Racing makes the best pinion gears..
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    I only have 2s batteries, so I am going to have to buy a 3s battery for the lower kv motor. I am looking at a couple on amazon. First is a Gens ace 5000mAh 11.1V LiPo Battery Pack 3S 50C for $45.99. The other is a Floureon 11.1V 4500mAh High Power 3S 30C for $31.99. Any input? Thanks!

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    From what I hear and have seen here and there, they are both good choices. If you can I would go for more mah in at least one for more run time. But seeing you are getting 2 that should be plenty. Can't beat the prices.... I have all Traxxas batteries, but in the future I will be buying SMC. Another great brand for reasonable prices.
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    The SMC brand is great, quality made, i've got a 3s and a 4s lipo from them... but they charge $12 for shipping.
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    I was thinking of getting the SMC Factory Spec 11.1V 5000mAh 50C, but the $12 shipping sucks for just one battery. The floureon is only 30C and 4500mAh. Will that be noticable when compared the gens ace or SMC 50C and 5000mAh? its $14 cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yfzdr View Post
    I was thinking of getting the SMC Factory Spec 11.1V 5000mAh 50C, but the $12 shipping sucks for just one battery. The floureon is only 30C and 4500mAh. Will that be noticable when compared the gens ace or SMC 50C and 5000mAh? its $14 cheaper.
    The gens ace and floureon will be fine. I don't think you would see any difference in the 2. none that you would notice, compared to the 50c. I would push the button and buy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lektro View Post
    The gens ace and floureon will be fine. I don't think you would see any difference in the 2. none that you would notice, compared to the 50c. I would push the button and buy!
    If the specs are true, then it would be 135A against 250A. I bet your will notice that, especially with an amp hungry motor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petertje60 View Post
    If the specs are true, then it would be 135A against 250A. I bet your will notice that, especially with an amp hungry motor.
    Thank you for the correction sir!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petertje60 View Post
    If the specs are true, then it would be 135A against 250A. I bet your will notice that, especially with an amp hungry motor.
    Well there is no "C" rating standard so I'm wondering where your math is coming from. If current is voltage divided by resistance,
    And the resistance is unknown.
    This being said always go higher C rating and higher mah

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