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    Motor upgrade advice X Maxx 8s TP Power

    New owner.. looking for upgrades after seeing your vids..)

    My first choice was Castle 2028 800kv with Max5 ESC. After searching motor mounts (not easy) I ended up with fastlanercs mounts, center drive shaft and slipper eliminator... 50/55T pionion and 45,50T Spur gears to test. Now I'm also thinking of TP Power 5860 1440kv 8s (112mm) and TP 5870 990kv (22hp) as new alternatives.

    Has anyone experience of TP motors and will the new TP 5870 (122mm, 57,8mm) even fit?

    After seeing many uses 48T pinion and 54T Spur gear, still wheelys and tons of torque... I decided to test 50,55T pinion with upgraded alu heat sink with dual fans was recommended. Thoughts?

    Sorry, can't upload and pics of my X maxx 8s Green with MadMax 220mm wheels etc...

    Thankful for thoughs

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    Update: Ordered TP 5860 1440kv 8S today) new gears 25T-30T-35T pinion, 45T spur etc... expect 65+MPH to 90MPH range to play with) 100C batts etc.. more torque and speed vs 2028 800kv, another league dealer said. Standing flips on request (not for me) well, it will be interesting to try and see...

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    Man. Thats a ton of power and a ton of gear. I dont hear much about TP power compared to Castle/Leopard.

    You can bet on enough power to do backflips for sure. I hope to see of vids of this monster in action. Also, let us know what you think about the fastlanerc driveshaft. Im am going with a Leopard setup and am guessing that my stock centershaft will be the first thing to go.


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    Yes, driveshaft and battery temp is main concern, 130F red sign. Was recommended not to use 25/40C batts, 100C not to have heat issues, also updated ESC Max5 fan... vids will come later

    I also never heard about TP, after reading and recommendation i thought i try )

    SPECS TP5860:
    .Max Power: 15000W (20.2HP)
    .Max RPM: 50.000RPM (50K)
    .Diamter Shaft Output: 8mm
    .Number Poles: 6P Technology
    .Dimensions (Y): 57mm x 116mm
    .Dimensions (D): 57mm x 106mm
    .Lenght shaft: 30mm (new rotor with 30mm shaft)
    .Weight (Y): 1110g
    .Weight (Y): 1060g
    .KV: (please, choose the ''KV'' from the below list)


    TO COMPARE (POWER/ RPM/ POLES):
    .CASTLE 2028 800KV (4 POLES): 7600W Max power (eq 10.22HP) and 45.000RPM Max
    .LEOPARD 58110 (4 POLES): 7600W Max power (eq 10.22HP) and 35.000RPM Max
    .TORO SKY/RC X528 (4 POLES): 7350W Max Power (eq 9.89HP) and 30.000RPM Max
    .TPPOWER TP5680 NEW SERIES (6 POLES): 15000W max power (eq 20.18HP) and 50.000RPM Max

    I think last TP 5680 is misspelled, should be TP 5860...

    Well if you going big, GO BIG )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluelightning2 View Post
    22hp!? Wow...
    TP 5870 has 22HP, 10mm longer... think i would have needed new chassis, 20.2 is ok i guess)

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    So these TP motors are coming more popular. Has any one run one yet compared to the Leopard 5113V2 which is supposed to be the best. I do see the YP is $250 compared to the Leopard $85. Big difference - keep us updated

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    Keep in mind that the stock motor is maybe 4000 watts....so jumping to 15k will break driveline parts for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by XmaXX209 View Post
    Keep in mind that the stock motor is maybe 4000 watts....so jumping to 15k will break driveline parts for sure
    For sure... its the price you pay to play) Dealer had a few runing this setup, good feedback.
    All is relative of course, how you handle your car etc. Upgraded parts are ordered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVJ007 View Post
    So these TP motors are coming more popular. Has any one run one yet compared to the Leopard 5113V2 which is supposed to be the best. I do see the YP is $250 compared to the Leopard $85. Big difference - keep us updated

    I am about to find out how the Leopard 5113V2 is. I just received mine. I was thinking hard about the TL motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIX View Post
    Update: Ordered TP 5860 1440kv 8S today) new gears 25T-30T-35T pinion, 45T spur etc... expect 65+MPH to 90MPH range to play with) 100C batts etc.. more torque and speed vs 2028 800kv, another league dealer said. Standing flips on request (not for me) well, it will be interesting to try and see...


    You do realise your ESC max output is 200amps? Your motor's max is 441amps.

    You've limited the power by 60%.

    Congrats, you've downgraded to 6000w / 8bhp.

    Seems someone has mislead you to make a sale!

    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobied77 View Post

    You do realise your ESC max output is 200amps? Your motor's max is 441amps.

    You've limited the power by 60%.

    Congrats, you've downgraded to 6000w / 8bhp.

    Seems someone has mislead you to make a sale!

    LOL
    While I don't totally disagree with scoobied. That's a constant number for the amperage. Burst current is 1300 amps I'm pretty sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobied77 View Post
    You do realise your ESC max output is 200amps? Your motor's max is 441amps.

    You've limited the power by 60%.

    Congrats, you've downgraded to 6000w / 8bhp.

    Seems someone has mislead you to make a sale!

    LOL
    Well, if you read more about Max5 (Cont./Peak Current 200A/1300A). Try run 200AMP, 8S 14,8v batts probably last few minutes... I think the dealer knew what he was talking about selling this setup...1300A is enough..) If ur right i will be very disappointed.

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    I've seen some pretty impressive videos of those TP Power motors.. 163mph on 8S is insane..

    The motor y'all are talking about has a ton of amp draw... I don't even know if there is an ESC capable of sending out that much power (unless there is one that costs like 700$ that I have never heard of..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIX View Post
    Well, if you read more about Max5 (Cont./Peak Current 200A/1300A). Try run 200AMP, 8S 14,8v batts probably last few minutes... I think the dealer knew what he was talking about selling this setup...1300A is enough..) If ur right i will be very disappointed.
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    Ok)) the dealer who selling these setup have good feedback... he said the Max5 ESC will handle TP 5860-V1 1440kv with upgraded fan etc. There is an ESC, MGM X-40063-3 HV 15s 400A incase u wonder.. The negative is less run times, ex MaxAmps 9000mAh XL 8S give 36 minutes average run time they write, my setup maybe run 20+ min... so i buy more batts) is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIX View Post
    Ok)) the dealer who selling these setup have good feedback... he said the Max5 ESC will handle TP 5860-V1 1440kv with upgraded fan etc. There is an ESC, MGM X-40063-3 HV 15s 400A incase u wonder.. The negative is less run times, ex MaxAmps 9000mAh XL 8S give 36 minutes average run time they write, my setup maybe run 20+ min... so i buy more batts) is ok.
    That didn't answer the question.

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    whats the point? LOL 8bhp.. I don't want to trash any dealer in a forum before the result speaks for them self...i let u know soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIX View Post
    whats the point? LOL 8bhp.. I don't want to trash any dealer in a forum before the result speaks for them self...i let u know soon.
    It's pretty obvious you won't be getting nothing like full power from the motor, so yes 8bhp is a pretty good ball park figure.

    I've lost interest now anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobied77 View Post
    It's pretty obvious you won't be getting nothing like full power from the motor, so yes 8bhp is a pretty good ball park figure.

    I've lost interest now anyway.
    +1, i also lost interest sharing my upgrades here...

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    That motor on 8S will be silly powerful if you pair it appropriately with a 1/5 scale esc. You guys splitting hairs is just juvenile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIX View Post
    +1, i also lost interest sharing my upgrades here...
    dont let that guy get to you. if its who i think he is, he rubs people the wrong way on the facebook page as well

    Im between the Leopard and TP power so i would like to hear your results and what pinion size works best for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyg900 View Post
    dont let that guy get to you. if its who i think he is, he rubs people the wrong way on the facebook page as well

    Im between the Leopard and TP power so i would like to hear your results and what pinion size works best for you.

    Yeah, what he said. Does this forum have an “ignore” feature?

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    What motor mount are you using with it?

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    Why not stick with the stock motor? Yes the 2028 has more torque, but won't the stock be faster? (sorry, thats just my opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by feverdog11 View Post
    Why not stick with the stock motor? Yes the 2028 has more torque, but won't the stock be faster? (sorry, thats just my opinion).
    The stock motor will turn more rpm but you can compensate that with gearing. The 2028 has so much torque that even if you gear it super high it will be more powerful than the stock motor.

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    Some updates and pics for those who are interested...
    After some modifications to fit Max5 ESC and TP5860 motor, it’s almost ready.. decide not to use ESC mount and 58mm heatsink, don’t want many cables and stuff sticking up like home made.. no offense to anyone... Max5 ESC been modified, I now have 8Volts for the motor fans and 12volts for green lights/front and rear lights stabilized out of Max5 and don’t need additional battery(s) as first planned... cool! also traxxas telemetry has been replaced to Graupner X-8E with GPS-module receiver, Gyro for TSM with all GPS data/speed, volt and temp etc direct to the X-8E. Special chemicals needed to solder motor to ESC now (short distances, hard cables) and rebuild charger cables for Bat-Safe.. re-modifying stock gear cover to fit and upload some pics later...



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    Nice work VIX!! Let us know how it runs!!!
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    Sure.. Will test different gears and ratio 50/25 1:2, 50/30 1:1.67 and 45/30 1:1.5
    Tiresize and ESC programming are also counting at full throttle, i cant calculate the speed but GPS will show..

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    Looks sick! What wheels is that? I think I need that motor to
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    Quote Originally Posted by minim View Post
    Looks sick! What wheels is that? I think I need that motor to
    MADMAX 220mm for Xmaxx with Madmax wheel nuts in different colours. AWESOME! My first upgrade

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIX View Post
    MADMAX 220mm for Xmaxx with Madmax wheel nuts in different colours. AWESOME! My first upgrade
    Thanks. Do they baloon like the stock ones? I only found them on AliExpress for $220 and eBay for 160+60 shipping Are they that pricey or am I bad searching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by minim View Post
    Thanks. Do they baloon like the stock ones? I only found them on AliExpress for $220 and eBay for 160+60 shipping Are they that pricey or am I bad searching?
    No they dont baloon like stock 8S... good for 62Mph. They cost around 200$ and sold from China.. some local dealers might have them..: You will need Madmax wheel nuts 24mm, stock are to small. Ps. Your car will be faster, bigger tires change gearing, like bigger pinion...
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    Incase someone consider Integy skid plates for 8S, the rear plate/shield need to be modified little to fit.. Aerodynamic look some pics with Murat-rc lights



    These were cool but heavy..



    Now, all cables have to be laid and everything has to be adjusted and tested, almost ready



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    Nice job sir.

    Nathan Cation is the only US seller that sells those Mad Max. His Facebook addy: https://m.facebook.com/groups/481185465582076

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    Not as I want yet, must cover cables better.. Gear cover is modified from stock small adjustments left, testing )




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    Looks Good!! Vix how do you like Graupner X-8E telemetry radio? Have you used it yet?

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    I have that Integy front skid on one of my X's.

    Traxxas connectors are good and all but if you're running say a Max 5, I feel something like the cc 6.5s are a must.
    I'm trying to switch even my low power stuff over to them.
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