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    New member here and in search of information

    Hi guys and gals!

    I'm new to this forum and wish to become a regular in terms of helping other build their trucks. I'm mechanicaly inclined and i would like to buy a 4WD stampede unassembled kit. I did some research but cannot find a good esc/motor kit that would take the bashing/speed I would like to give it. I'm no professional or racing person but I like to get the best performing gear when I do something. I've been thinking about building a badass stampede for a couple of years and some questions in a hobby shop + research the net didn't gave me a final answer on what I should do so I am hoping someone here might get me in the right direction. I know I might get many different answers because of the different uses anyone makes of theses but here's what I would like to buy so far:

    traxxas unassembled kit
    traxxas transmitter
    ESC: Mamba X found here: http://www.castlecreations.com/en/ma...sc-010-0155-00 (only if no mods required)
    Motor: Brushless, don't know what to look for so far...

    Do I need anything else to ride?

    also, what are the essentials in aluminium upgrades? Please keep in mind I new to this so I will make everything I can to make the Pede better but it will happen in stages. All in the idea of having fun with it while making it as fast and fun possible.

    Thanks in advance to anyone reading this and taking the time to answer me!

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    Here's what I found so far for the Esc/motor:

    http://www.castlecreations.com/en/ma...bo-010-0161-01

    I don't know if this is the right size for the motor? what am I looking in term of performance with 3s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee78 View Post
    Here's what I found so far for the Esc/motor:

    http://www.castlecreations.com/en/ma...bo-010-0161-01

    I don't know if this is the right size for the motor? what am I looking in term of performance with 3s?
    i,m also fairly new to this but what i experienced so far with a brushed motor is that you need to match your motor-battery and gear ratio for the type of use you are planning of doing. I personally smoked a motor with a 54/11 ratio because i was just doing short run with plenty of accelerations. swapped a 54/9 without loosing much used speed but motor remain a lot cooler...

    From what i have read, a good brushless on 3s seem to be too much for the stock axles and gears...and without much driving experience, the pede with brushed nihm is already fun and not so slow...
    i would probably need to limit it's power on 3s until i have enough driving skills to handle it...

    I'm also considering a brushless swap but again it seem hard to figure out what is the best combo/trio....I'm an electronic tech and to understand but there is just too much options with limited specs...
    Motors are rated on kv instead of torque and power like it should. So kids can brag about high kv # but if they need to gear it down to recover the lost torque it is meaningless....

    i would probably get something around a 2.5 to 3.5kv motor with an ESC combo that is 3s ready but i will try it first on 2s to see how i'm able to handle it...

    I'm also considering to get a device to read data from my pede to get a better idea of all this to compare before and after without just referring to my feeling but this fall into the ''nice to have'' column....maybe not....

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    Hey! Thanks for the answer!

    I did some digging and found this:

    Motor: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Go...wAAOSwg8xb3hpi

    At 3300Kv I read that it's like a good balance between performance and heat. I will need to get a gear to go on that but still don't know what comes with the traxxas unassembled kit so that will have to wait...

    ESC: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hobbywing-Q...C/173652685257

    I plan on running this with 3s lipo.

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    That system on 3s is extremely fast, like already mentioned you will go through stock axles at a rapid rate. Another problem with that motor, yes I do own it, is that it will get pretty warm on 3s. It is still extremely fast on 2s and generally stays pretty cool if you keep your gearing tame, but it will still eat up stock axles on 2s. The gool motor and hobbywing ESC you linked above isn't a good match. That ESC is 60amps and that motor is capable of pulling 80amps, that's a good way to burn up your ESC. You really wanna have it the other way around, motor pulling around 80% of the amps your ESC can provide. That way you are not maxing out your ESC and you have some leeway between max amps and spikes from your motor.

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    Hi Nickruger! thanks for taking the time to answer here!

    I know I will have to upgrade the stock axles and bearings but am still focused on deciding what electronics I would give this baby. After reading your post, I have some questions that comes to mind.

    1. When you say it's fast on 2s, how fast?
    2. How hot does it run on 3s and could I add a fan?
    3. What ESC would you recommend for that motor?
    4. You know where I could find info on gearing? Cause it seem impossible to know what gearing comes with the unassembled kit, making it impossible to know what gear I should buy for that motor. I would like to be able to reach 60mph+ with my rig...

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    How about this ESC?:

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/HobbyWing-Qu...cAAOSwXwBZmu~y

    Here's where I'm at with the parts list:

    Motor: GoolRC 3300Kv
    ESC: Hobbywing 10BL120
    Steering servo:Traxxas 2075
    Transmitter/receiver: Traxxas Tq 2.4Ghz
    Battery: Venom 3s 20C 11.1V 5000mAh
    Bearings: Open for suggestions...
    Axles: Open for suggestions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee78 View Post
    Hi Nickruger! thanks for taking the time to answer here!

    I know I will have to upgrade the stock axles and bearings but am still focused on deciding what electronics I would give this baby. After reading your post, I have some questions that comes to mind.

    1. When you say it's fast on 2s, how fast?
    2. How hot does it run on 3s and could I add a fan?
    3. What ESC would you recommend for that motor?
    4. You know where I could find info on gearing? Cause it seem impossible to know what gearing comes with the unassembled kit, making it impossible to know what gear I should buy for that motor. I would like to be able to reach 60mph+ with my rig...
    On 2s I'm not sure what kind of mph you get but it is pretty fast, I would say in the 40mph range. It's kind of hard to know for sure because most gearing charts are theoretical based on your battery, motor kv, and final drive. That castle 3800 can easily get to 180f+ within minutes on 3s. You could add a fan and heatsink that could drop that by about 20 degrees. As far as hitting 60mph what are you planning on doing with your truck? If you are making an all around basher that is really fast. It will be hard to keep the truck together and running unless you are just doing speed runs. You will run into heat issues trying to run that kind of speed on 1/10th scale electronics and tall gearing no matter what you do. I did manage to look up the gearing that comes with the kit. They don't provide a pinion just a 54 tooth spur. For some reason I can't link the manual, but if you want to look it up go to the traxxas home page, click view full site on the bottom, then go to the support tab at the top of the page and find the stampede 4x4 kit. It will let you download the exploded views and the complete manual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee78 View Post
    How about this ESC?:

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/HobbyWing-Qu...cAAOSwXwBZmu~y

    Here's where I'm at with the parts list:

    Motor: GoolRC 3300Kv
    ESC: Hobbywing 10BL120
    Steering servo:Traxxas 2075
    Transmitter/receiver: Traxxas Tq 2.4Ghz
    Battery: Venom 3s 20C 11.1V 5000mAh
    Bearings: Open for suggestions...
    Axles: Open for suggestions...
    That ESC is a better option. Everything else looks fine. Stock bearings are fine, get yourself a complete kit from Jim's Bearings to have on hand, and I would order extra inner and outer wheel bearings, those go the most. For axles the MIP x-duty are the beefiest, tekno m6 axles are a very good option to. Alot of companies don't make axles specific to the stampede 4x4, but anything for the slash 4x4 is the exact same. Slash 4x4 and stampede 4x4 share 90% of the same parts. Drive train, a arms, c-hubs, carriers are the same on both models. The only thing on your list I'm not to keen on is the venom battery. I never had good luck with them. This is a better option.
    http://www.smc-racing.net/index.php?...product_id=463

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    Okay, I will look into thoses batteries.

    The 60mph mark is just a target I would like to be able to reach. I won't run it that fast often, just some speed runs here and there. Most of the time I will just detune it and bash it just for fun.

    I've looked into mip x-duty axles and they are expensive!!! 72USD$ just for the rear or the front! I think I will go with the tekno M6 kit, way cheaper and seems pretty well rated too. Just to make sure, is this the one you refer to?:

    https://www.teknorc.com/shop/tkr6755...-stampede-4x4/

    And this one for the bearings:

    https://jimsbearings.com/collections...ide-rally-1-10

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    The Tekno shaft you refer to is the Tekno center driveshaft.

    Here's the link to the front driveshafts
    https://www.teknorc.com/shop/tkr6851...4x4-front-6mm/

    and here is the link for the rear shafts
    https://www.teknorc.com/shop/tkr6852...-4x4-rear-6mm/

    If you go for the Tekno driveshafts, you better buy their aluminium hex adapters
    https://www.teknorc.com/shop/tkr1654...d-ae-sc10-4x4/

    However - I would start wit the stock car and upgrade the parts when they break.
    I've been running my stampede 4x4 for almost a year (on 2S) and only had (a few) problems with the rear driveshafts.
    I'm upgrading the rear shafts soon, I'll leave the fronts stock.

    One last thing to consider - the cost of upgrades like these can add up.
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    FYI - the Hobbywing Quickrun ESC is not waterproof and is more suited for 1-10 on-road cars.
    I use a Hobbywing EZrun MAX10 SCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee78 View Post
    Okay, I will look into thoses batteries.

    The 60mph mark is just a target I would like to be able to reach. I won't run it that fast often, just some speed runs here and there. Most of the time I will just detune it and bash it just for fun.

    I've looked into mip x-duty axles and they are expensive!!! 72USD$ just for the rear or the front! I think I will go with the tekno M6 kit, way cheaper and seems pretty well rated too. Just to make sure, is this the one you refer to?:

    https://www.teknorc.com/shop/tkr6755...-stampede-4x4/

    And this one for the bearings:

    https://jimsbearings.com/collections...ide-rally-1-10
    That is just the tekno center driveshaft, replaced the stock center plastic drive shaft. It is a good upgrade too. Here is the complete front and rear Tekno drive shafts. The Teknos utilize a bigger bearing, that is why they supply new front and rear axle carriers. You would have to buy those bearings seperate. I'll look and see if Jim's bearings sells a kit specifically for trucks with Tekno axle kits.
    https://www.ebay.com/i/392186319786?...BoCo5UQAvD_BwE

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    Hi StijnH, thanks for the answer!

    If I get this straight, you recommend replacing only the rear axles? Is the center shaft problematic too?

    Also, I don't plan on running the rig in water of puddles, do I really need a waterproof ESC?

    The build list so far:

    Motor: GoolRC 3300Kv
    ESC: Hobbywing 10BL120
    Steering servo:Traxxas 2075
    Transmitter/receiver: Traxxas Tq 2.4Ghz
    Battery: SMC 3s 5000mHa True Specs Premium
    Bearings: Jim's bearings kit (21 in total)
    Axles: Tekno TKR6852x

    For sure the cost of the rig is adding up fast but I like to get things as rugged as possible that way if/when it breaks I know I did the best I could to try and prevent it. It's also incredibly fun to do this research and build something from the ground up!

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    Hey that is a good deal with bearings and everything! For sure I will save this link! Thanks!

    I also found this ESC:https://www.ebay.ca/itm/120A-Hobbywi...4AAOSwtNFdHwiF

    I might say I don't really understand all the differences in ESC. Do they have some differences other than amp ratings and waterproof or not?
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    From what I've read on these forum, most breakages involve the rear axles.
    That's also my experience with my Stampede 4x4 and Slash 4x4.
    I'm not going to upgrade the front axles nor the central shaft.

    The Stampede is good in what it's designed for, but it's not bulletproof.
    If I felt the need for a tougher truck, I would check out other options, like the Tekno MT410.

    I'm no expert on ESC's, if you don't run your car in wet conditions or puddles, I guess it could be all right (but I would do some research on it).

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    Since I want to build one since a couple of years I will stick with the traxxas. But thanks for the suggestion, might be a future build

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